> BTW, I believe something farily similar has been done for years at
> Dartmoor, where this all started. I'd love to hear from our friends
> across the pond on this too...

An example of a Dartmoor 100 club patch can be found at:

http://x-stream.fortunecity.com/hawkins/108/

Brief writeup can be found at (by searching for "100 club"):

http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Gorge/7370/dartinfo.html

Valley Quest also has a patch. It can be seen at:

http://www.vitalcommunities.org/vq.htm

(or in my collection :-))

--
Randy "the mapsurfer"
Orienteer(R69.3) * Letterboxer(P22F100) * Globetrotter(T50S49C1138)
http://www.letterboxing.org/faq.html

Hi John. I wonder if kids would like "earning" patches? I was in Camp
Fire Girls as a kid and loved doing the activities needed to earn the
various colored beads and patches. This sounds similar.

But nowadays, as an adult, I can't say that earning patches means much to
me! For me, getting the stamp images in my little notebook is reward
enough, not to mention the joy of hiking and visiting a new place.

I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody else on this topic! How do
you envision it working? Would it be on the honor system? Or would
somebody have to count your 100 or 150 or 200 collected stamp impressions
to verify that you qualify for a patch?

Bonnie
In April-rainy Massachusetts
P7F7 and itching to get out and find more!

At 06:07 PM 04/05/2000 -0400, you wrote:
>With a gathering coming up in a few weeks, I thought I'd launch this
subject matter. While the upcoming gathering maybe the impetus to start
this discussion, I want to make it clear that EVERYBODY on the list should
feel free to participate and contribute. I just think that since at least
some letterboxers will be face-to-face soon, that may also help the
process. But, by all means, the more the merrier.
>
>here's what I'd like us to discuss: I'd like to toss around the
possibility of coming up w/ a way to "recognize" letterboxing milestones.
This idea was very briefly kicked around at the last gathering. Just to
put an idea out there: what do you think of a patch, or series of patches,
to be earned at pre-set milestones, e.g 100, 500, 1000 letterboxes
placed/found. Jay and Randy would already qualify for one of these having
respectively placed and found 100 or more boxes.
>
>of course, if this idea appealed to the list, there are many details to be
ironed out: design, financing, validation, etc.
>
>BTW, I believe something farily similar has been done for years at
Dartmoor, where this all started. I'd love to hear from our friends across
the pond on this too...
>
>Anyway, just thought I'd throw it out there and see what happens. So
please, re-act, re-butt, re-direct, .. just register your opinion.
>
>Lone Wolf
>
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My 0.02.

Even as an adult I still love collecting patches. I sew them onto
backpacks, etc... Even a decal would be nice to put on my fiance's car,
since I cannot afford to have one yet - (Ah Graduate school stipends...)

I remember when I was a boy scout and collecting beautiful patches made
all of those camp-outs in the rain even more enjoyable... I am sure kids
would still enjoy collecting them. And it would teach them how to
sew. If they like collecting stamps, I am sure they would like to collect
patches.

I would suggest that until this hobby leads to a headquarters (could
happen - It did with the AT) that this be an informal recognition
(submit the letterbox name/date of acquisition) similar to the 4000
footers club in New England.

Patches (the last time I checked) were only a few bucks apiece (however
there is a minimum amount of number you need to order.) Then you can
place quantities F10, F25, F50, F100, P10, X200, etc on the circumference
of the round main LbNA member patch, to cut costs until this takes off.

Even hold a patch making contest to find the best design. I am sure
there will be many artistic entries here.

The best part is that it increases awareness of this activity. Currently
it is through word of mouth, and accidently finding a box. But member
patches/decals would add to the hype.

Jeremy

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Recognition is good.

The first order of recognition should be a voluntary "I'm a member of"
sort of emblem because:
- not everyone is into ammassing a box count
- clue writing can be an art
- stamp carving can be an art
- we need to have more people ask - "what's this patch mean? Hmmm,
letterboxing? is it a kind of lunch?

the whole idea is good but lets not head in a acquistion/ placement mode
only

I would like to say more (maybe tonight) but aam off to a meeting

Regards to all,
Susan

Susan,

I LOVE the idea of a member patch too. it certainly would be a great place to start. I think you made some excellent points, BUT some of us like a more "concrete" goal, although I do not want to lose sight of the stamp as an outstanding reward unto itself. Frankly, for my kids (7&9) it has been more than enough to keep them going on hikes they might otherwise peter out on.

Lone Wolf

>>> erik/susan davis 04/06 10:14 AM >>>
Recognition is good.

The first order of recognition should be a voluntary "I'm a member of"
sort of emblem because:
- not everyone is into ammassing a box count
- clue writing can be an art
- stamp carving can be an art
- we need to have more people ask - "what's this patch mean? Hmmm,
letterboxing? is it a kind of lunch?

the whole idea is good but lets not head in a acquistion/ placement mode
only

I would like to say more (maybe tonight) but aam off to a meeting

Regards to all,
Susan


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In a message dated 4/6/00 5:38:24 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bsennott@crocker.com writes:

<< I wonder if kids would like "earning" patches? >>

Earning Patches would be something my kids would love ...setting it up would
be a challenge though.

Mohmers

In a message dated 4/6/00 5:11:27 AM Pacific Daylight Time, davisarc@wcvt.com
writes:

<< Recognition is good.

The first order of recognition should be a voluntary "I'm a member of"
sort of emblem because:
- not everyone is into amassing a box count
- clue writing can be an art
- stamp carving can be an art
- we need to have more people ask - "what's this patch mean? Hmmm,
Letterboxing? is it a kind of lunch?
>>

So ... we would have just a general patch "Letterboxing Patch"
then a count found patch ... 10, 20, 50 etc
then a count planted patch
then a patch for "stamp carving"
and a patch for "clue writing"

Sounds like a great idea to me...

I like the member patch idea. Here is what I know about embroidered
logos:

The major cost is in the "digitizing" of the design. The embroidery
people don't care so much about quantity of colors as they do quantity
of stitches. A 2"X2" logo is going to run me neary $150 just for the
digitizing. After that, it is pretty dang inexpensive. If you can find
a little mom & pop stitchery they will let you do the patches in onesy
twoseys. Wearing the patch on a jacket or shirt or knapsack would be
recognizable... but only when you happened to be wearing those
particular items.

In regards to window stickers. I have some experience with these as
well. They would be cheaper to produce and would be recognizable in the
parking lots and freeways of the world..... but is that where we want to
be recognized?

Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

another thought....

if we decide to go with the embroidered member thing... once that logo
has been digitized it can be applied to lots of different things...
maybe a LbNA hat?
--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

Hi all,

It has been a long time since I weighed in on any topics, but this one seems
to speak to me.

I agree with Thom on the sticker...I don't paricularly like that idea.

The patches sound like fun, but as soon as it turns into judging each others
art, that is art of writing, art of carving, art of hiding, etc., well I
think that opens the door for hard feelings. A patch that says, I love to
carve rubber stamps for letterboxes, or I'm a creative clue writer. These
we could sew on our back-packs, hats and jackets and be recognized without
the judging.

Of course finding or planting a quantity of boxes is strickly quantitative
and really straight forward and not likely to create hard feeling. A patch
to say I'm a Letterboxer would be fun too.

I'm also assuming that when we apply to receive a patch we would pay for it
which gives someone an opportunity to make a little dough (OK a very little
dough). This would be a good thing for those very giving individuals that
are paying for the space for the site, and donating their time for keeping
us all organized.

Life is Good,

Wendy

Nice to hear from you Wendy! Glad you're still out there. How's your carving been? Hope all's well.

John

PS: I'm don't agree that anyone needs to make any money at this. I'm not sure how to work it, but I see no need for profit from this at all. I definitely do NOT want to go down that road (again).

>>> "Wendy Gault" 04/06 12:14 PM >>>

Hi all,

It has been a long time since I weighed in on any topics, but this one seems
to speak to me.

I agree with Thom on the sticker...I don't paricularly like that idea.

The patches sound like fun, but as soon as it turns into judging each others
art, that is art of writing, art of carving, art of hiding, etc., well I
think that opens the door for hard feelings. A patch that says, I love to
carve rubber stamps for letterboxes, or I'm a creative clue writer. These
we could sew on our back-packs, hats and jackets and be recognized without
the judging.

Of course finding or planting a quantity of boxes is strickly quantitative
and really straight forward and not likely to create hard feeling. A patch
to say I'm a Letterboxer would be fun too.

I'm also assuming that when we apply to receive a patch we would pay for it
which gives someone an opportunity to make a little dough (OK a very little
dough). This would be a good thing for those very giving individuals that
are paying for the space for the site, and donating their time for keeping
us all organized.

Life is Good,

Wendy


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John De Wolf wrote:
>
John
>
> PS: I'm don't agree that anyone needs to make any money at this.
> I'm not sure how to work it, but I see no need for profit from this
> at all. I definitely do NOT want to go down that road (again).

I hope my remarks were not misconstrued to intend that I was trying to
solicit the patch/sticker business. I am happy to help in whatever way
I can, but I offered my experiences for information only. I leave it
as we have always conducted busniess.... the group should decide
who/what/where.

--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

On the profit, I really don't care one way or the other. BUT I do
understand the road you want to avoid...good point.


-----Original Message-----
From: John De Wolf [mailto:jdewolf@mail.icrsurvey.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 11:00 AM
To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [LbNA] "Recognition" of letterboxing accomplishments


Nice to hear from you Wendy! Glad you're still out there. How's your
carving been? Hope all's well.

John

PS: I'm don't agree that anyone needs to make any money at this. I'm not
sure how to work it, but I see no need for profit from this at all. I
definitely do NOT want to go down that road (again).

>>> "Wendy Gault" 04/06 12:14 PM >>>

Hi all,

It has been a long time since I weighed in on any topics, but this one seems
to speak to me.

I agree with Thom on the sticker...I don't paricularly like that idea.

The patches sound like fun, but as soon as it turns into judging each others
art, that is art of writing, art of carving, art of hiding, etc., well I
think that opens the door for hard feelings. A patch that says, I love to
carve rubber stamps for letterboxes, or I'm a creative clue writer. These
we could sew on our back-packs, hats and jackets and be recognized without
the judging.

Of course finding or planting a quantity of boxes is strickly quantitative
and really straight forward and not likely to create hard feeling. A patch
to say I'm a Letterboxer would be fun too.

I'm also assuming that when we apply to receive a patch we would pay for it
which gives someone an opportunity to make a little dough (OK a very little
dough). This would be a good thing for those very giving individuals that
are paying for the space for the site, and donating their time for keeping
us all organized.

Life is Good,

Wendy


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I like the idea too! Patches are like little rubber stamp images that
don't run in the rain. And as for window stickers in the world's
parking lots, whenever we're out hiking we always check the stickers
on the other cars at the trailhead, looking for AMC, GMC, Nature
Conservancy, NORBA, and hobbes stickers. Makes us aware of who is out
sharing the trails with us. Maybe an LBNA window sticker would one
day be as recognizable at a state park as a NASCAR sticker at WalMart!

I'll get my artistic teen working on a submission: she'll probably go
with something that looks "handcut."

Jay (ready for a show-off big-number patch)

Hello from Cara!
I need to be taken off of this list, as I am leaving my job. this needs to
be done fairly soon. I'd like to remain on the list with the address of
lahar@earthlink.net
Do I need to do something special in order to do this?
Cara



-----Original Message-----
From: B. J. Drew [mailto:bjdrew@us.med.navy.mil]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:19 PM
To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] "Recognition" of letterboxing accomplishments


I like the idea too! Patches are like little rubber stamp images that
don't run in the rain. And as for window stickers in the world's
parking lots, whenever we're out hiking we always check the stickers
on the other cars at the trailhead, looking for AMC, GMC, Nature
Conservancy, NORBA, and hobbes stickers. Makes us aware of who is out
sharing the trails with us. Maybe an LBNA window sticker would one
day be as recognizable at a state park as a NASCAR sticker at WalMart!

I'll get my artistic teen working on a submission: she'll probably go
with something that looks "handcut."

Jay (ready for a show-off big-number patch)




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Cara,

you should be able to go to
http://www.egroups.com/myprofile
click on Change E-mail, and folloe the instrucitons there.

John

>>> CLARK Cara D 04/06 3:20 PM >>>
Hello from Cara!
I need to be taken off of this list, as I am leaving my job. this needs to
be done fairly soon. I'd like to remain on the list with the address of
lahar@earthlink.net
Do I need to do something special in order to do this?
Cara



-----Original Message-----
From: B. J. Drew [mailto:bjdrew@us.med.navy.mil]
Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 12:19 PM
To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [LbNA] "Recognition" of letterboxing accomplishments


I like the idea too! Patches are like little rubber stamp images that
don't run in the rain. And as for window stickers in the world's
parking lots, whenever we're out hiking we always check the stickers
on the other cars at the trailhead, looking for AMC, GMC, Nature
Conservancy, NORBA, and hobbes stickers. Makes us aware of who is out
sharing the trails with us. Maybe an LBNA window sticker would one
day be as recognizable at a state park as a NASCAR sticker at WalMart!

I'll get my artistic teen working on a submission: she'll probably go
with something that looks "handcut."

Jay (ready for a show-off big-number patch)




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> I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody else on this topic! How do
> you envision it working? Would it be on the honor system? Or would
> somebody have to count your 100 or 150 or 200 collected stamp impressions
> to verify that you qualify for a patch?

I think if you thru hike the AT or bag all the high points, its on the honor
system -- seems good enough for me. Besides, who would care if someone cheated
and got themselves a patch to put in their trinket collection -- they
certainly would be excluding themselves from the social stamp book exchange
at the pub :-) (it is interesting to point out that Valley Quest _does_
require sending in the stamp book for their patch, and it took six weeks,
meaning that if I didn't know this beforehand and didn't keep two stamp
books at the time and stamp each one, I would be out of luck (and out of the
field) for six weeks whilst my book was being "verified".) Besides, how
could any one person verify the stamps in someone else's book anyway?

As for some of the other thoughts in this thread:

I think the big argument for the patch is the Dartmoor tradition. Not that
we have to follow everything Dartmoor (and we obviously haven't), this is
one thing that feels natural to follow. It also seems cool to potentially
collect an LbNA patch _and_ Dartmoor patch (USOF and other orgs also give
patches for various achievements; I think people like to earn patches in
general).

As for membership vs achievement patches, there certainly seems to be no
philosophical reason not to have both. Some people find achievement patches
add cachet, some people find they detract. Prolly can't please everyone.

Randy raises some good points... I'm leaning toward a patch or hat
(actually, both are possible without much extra expense). but I think
realistically, it will be a looooong time before I hit the 100 box
mark. I'm voting for a membership patch for a couple of reasons.

Now, just to make it interesting.. what about a membership patch & then
5, 10, 50, 100 box PINS... maybe a cloisonne or something? I have
designed a bunch of different kinds of pins & they are universally well
received (and collected). We just printed a simple die-cut nickel
plated pin. 300 of them are costing us about $750 ($2.50 per pin).

..and then on to the ugly money part....

As I said before, digitizing a patch is not going to be especially
cheap. If we got a bid for the whole package (patches, digitizing, etc)
it could be well over $200. Do we divide this cost between the
interested parties and print as many as we can? How many of us are
willing to share some of the burden of production knowing that others in
the future will pay much less than we did? ....and then, who will
administer this sack of pins and bag of patches???

--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

I am new at this and haven't yet gone in search of a letterbox, but I like
the idea of earning patches. I have an idea that you might kick around. Is
there a logo for letterboxing if there is break the logo up into sections
and then when you earn the different patches you build the logo. You could
also have it broken down into reagions of the US. Think about it.

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>Randy raises some good points... I'm leaning toward a patch or hat
>(actually, both are possible without much extra expense). but I think
>realistically, it will be a looooong time before I hit the 100 box
>mark. I'm voting for a membership patch for a couple of reasons.
>
>Now, just to make it interesting.. what about a membership patch & then
>5, 10, 50, 100 box PINS... maybe a cloisonne or something? I have
>designed a bunch of different kinds of pins & they are universally well
>received (and collected). We just printed a simple die-cut nickel
>plated pin. 300 of them are costing us about $750 ($2.50 per pin).
>
>..and then on to the ugly money part....
>
>As I said before, digitizing a patch is not going to be especially
>cheap. If we got a bid for the whole package (patches, digitizing, etc)
>it could be well over $200. Do we divide this cost between the
>interested parties and print as many as we can? How many of us are
>willing to share some of the burden of production knowing that others in
>the future will pay much less than we did? ....and then, who will
>administer this sack of pins and bag of patches???
>
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Randy and all:
I just got home, and saw that my wife was among 20 or so responses to
this proposal. I've only read her's, with which I agree. But, I did
think about it on the way into work this A.M. - here are my thoughts.

I don't mind the "100" patch, or some other series (50? 25?). That would
be great, and, gosh knows, those that have put in the effort (and fun)
to put out as many (Hmmm - the Drew clan deserve a patch of their own!)
perhaps ought to have a patch or two for their efforts.

However, I'm MUCH MORE interested in a "Club" patch, so to speak, to sew
on my pack or hat. And perhaps a window decal - how many times have I
driven past the sites of my few boxes, wondering is a 'boxer is out
there looking.

My 2 cents (or sense?).
Perhaps more later, after I read the mail!
Erik

Randy and all:
I just got home, and saw that my wife was among 20 or so responses to
this proposal. I've only read her's, with which I agree. But, I did
think about it on the way into work this A.M. - here are my thoughts.

I don't mind the "100" patch, or some other series (50? 25?). That would
be great, and, gosh knows, those that have put in the effort (and fun)
to put out as many (Hmmm - the Drew clan deserve a patch of their own!)
perhaps ought to have a patch or two for their efforts.

However, I'm MUCH MORE interested in a "Club" patch, so to speak, to sew
on my pack or hat. And perhaps a window decal - how many times have I
driven past the sites of my few boxes, wondering is a 'boxer is out
there looking.

My 2 cents (or sense?).
Perhaps more later, after I read the mail!
Erik

> In regards to window stickers. I have some experience with these as
> well. They would be cheaper to produce and would be recognizable in the
> parking lots and freeways of the world..... but is that where we want to
> be recognized?

In that regard, lots of hiker/outdoors/stewardship oriented organiations
have decals (I'm thinking of Appalachian and Green Mtn. Clubs, etc.) I
don't see any begative connotation here.
Erik

Excellent points, Randy.

Sounds like a lot of people would like to see a "membership" patch (could easily be sown on a hat in the early days). As to milestones, I like the idea of the pins, but patches are a little more visible and probably less prone to loss. They may be more artistically satisfying...

Assuming most of the digitizing has been taken care of in an LbNA membership patch, can someone offer some insight on the cost differential between pins and the incremental cost of a milestone patch (which may include a lot of the art from the membership patch).

One of the issues this whole thing brings up is the possible migration to becoming like a club or organization which may or may not be where we want to go. Certainly one way to deal with the finances and fullfilment issues would be to develop some sort of membership (I'm thinking less than $5 here, and maybe it's just a one-time thing), and you would get the patch as part of the membership. Ofc ourse, membership would in NO way be required to participate in the hobby, the list, nor to have access to the clues.

Just some thoughts.

Lone Wolf

>>> Randy Hall 04/06 6:56 PM >>>

> I'm looking forward to hearing from everybody else on this topic! How do
> you envision it working? Would it be on the honor system? Or would
> somebody have to count your 100 or 150 or 200 collected stamp impressions
> to verify that you qualify for a patch?

I think if you thru hike the AT or bag all the high points, its on the honor
system -- seems good enough for me. Besides, who would care if someone cheated
and got themselves a patch to put in their trinket collection -- they
certainly would be excluding themselves from the social stamp book exchange
at the pub :-) (it is interesting to point out that Valley Quest _does_
require sending in the stamp book for their patch, and it took six weeks,
meaning that if I didn't know this beforehand and didn't keep two stamp
books at the time and stamp each one, I would be out of luck (and out of the
field) for six weeks whilst my book was being "verified".) Besides, how
could any one person verify the stamps in someone else's book anyway?

As for some of the other thoughts in this thread:

I think the big argument for the patch is the Dartmoor tradition. Not that
we have to follow everything Dartmoor (and we obviously haven't), this is
one thing that feels natural to follow. It also seems cool to potentially
collect an LbNA patch _and_ Dartmoor patch (USOF and other orgs also give
patches for various achievements; I think people like to earn patches in
general).

As for membership vs achievement patches, there certainly seems to be no
philosophical reason not to have both. Some people find achievement patches
add cachet, some people find they detract. Prolly can't please everyone.

as to #1, I too am OK w/ the LBNA logo, BUT the hobby may be better served with something that either includes the word "letterboxing" and/or some graphic representation of what we do (compass, stamp, & stamp book maybe, as in the photo on your gettign statretd page, Erik?) While we do want to be cautious about hurt feelings, I'd love to see what the artistically-inclined wing of our community could recommend.

as to #3, I can't take it on all by myself, but I feel like I can contribute some time and coordinating effort, once the list gets to some sort of concensus. With various people's schedules, I'd like to let the issue be discussed for a week or two before any decisions are made. Some on the list ay not be able to check the list daily, and I'd like as many as possible to have an opportunity to voice their opinions.

>>> erik/susan davis 04/07 10:43 AM >>>
Thom and all:
There seems to be a concensus that, at least, a member or "club" patch
is a place to start. Other ideas are all good - let's, however, get the
first thing acomplished first.

1) Design: - I'm OK with Mitch's LBNA logo, altho I understand that
other creative solutions may be in the offing. I also remember some
hurt feelings from an earlier graphic design adventure - lets make sure
THAT isns't repeated.

2) Thom - is the digitizing aspect something more than plopping the
paper image ona good scanner and creating (say) a gif. file?

3) Is there anyone out there with the skills/energy to take this on?
I'll follow this post with hopefully, the firat of many committments of
purchase, so wwe can get a sense of the viability of this.

Erik



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John wrote:

>I too am OK w/ the LBNA logo, BUT the hobby may be better served with something
that either includes the word "letterboxing" and/or some graphic representation
of what we
do....

I agree. Although the LBNA logo is very nice, I think we need the word
letterboxing on the patch. I like the idea of a basic "membership" patch to
begin with, which could be worn on a hat, jacket, whatever you like! Purchase a
dozen and sew them on all your T-shirts, hats, and accessories!

However, I am not sure having actual membership is the way to go at this point.
I must say I like the fact that our hobby is loosely organized. Not sure I would
support a formal organization like AMC, etc.

I didn't know about hurt feelings back when we developed the LBNA logo. Must have
missed that! But we have some wonderful stamp carvers; maybe someone would want
to carve a design for our patch? Susan Davis is a master! Everything I have
seen of hers is awe-inspiring.

John also wrote:

>I'd like to let the issue be discussed for a week or two before any decisions
are made. Some on the list ay not be able to check the list daily, and I'd like
as many
as possible to have an opportunity to voice their opinions.

Good idea, John!

Bonnie
In sunny Massachusetts
P7F7 and hoping to change those numbers soon!


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Thom and all:
There seems to be a concensus that, at least, a member or "club" patch
is a place to start. Other ideas are all good - let's, however, get the
first thing acomplished first.

1) Design: - I'm OK with Mitch's LBNA logo, altho I understand that
other creative solutions may be in the offing. I also remember some
hurt feelings from an earlier graphic design adventure - lets make sure
THAT isns't repeated.

2) Thom - is the digitizing aspect something more than plopping the
paper image ona good scanner and creating (say) a gif. file?

3) Is there anyone out there with the skills/energy to take this on?
I'll follow this post with hopefully, the firat of many committments of
purchase, so wwe can get a sense of the viability of this.

Erik

To Thom and all:
Assuming the cost-per-patch for the initial run (including digitizing)
will run to about $5, hopefully less (Thom - opinion?), put me down for
7 - family and two boxing buddies of our son, plus an honory one for
Chris Granstrom, the Smithsonian auathor who started most of it rolling
here.

Erik the Viking of VT

In a message dated 4/6/00 5:10:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
munchyman_1@hotmail.com writes:

<< m new at this and haven't yet gone in search of a letterbox, but I like
the idea of earning patches. I have an idea that you might kick around. Is
there a logo for letterboxing if there is break the logo up into sections
and then when you earn the different patches you build the logo. You could
also have it broken down into reagions of the US. Think about it.
>>

NEAT IDEA!

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In a message dated 4/7/00 6:34:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
bsennott@crocker.com writes:

<<
However, I am not sure having actual membership is the way to go at this
point.
I must say I like the fact that our hobby is loosely organized. >>

I AGREE.
:o)

Hello All:
PROPOSED TERMS OF MEMBERSHIP:
If you place or hunt letterboxes, your'e a memeber.


Todd Lane
Department of Geosciences
Princeton University
(609)258-2489

On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 mohmers@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 4/7/00 6:34:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> bsennott@crocker.com writes:
>
> <<
> However, I am not sure having actual membership is the way to go at this
> point.
> I must say I like the fact that our hobby is loosely organized. >>
>
> I AGREE.
> :o)
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erik/susan davis wrote:
>
> Thom and all:
> There seems to be a concensus that, at least, a member or "club" patch
> is a place to start. Other ideas are all good - let's, however, get the
> first thing acomplished first.

agreed.

>
> 1) Design: - I'm OK with Mitch's LBNA logo, altho I understand that
> other creative solutions may be in the offing. I also remember some
> hurt feelings from an earlier graphic design adventure - lets make sure
> THAT isns't repeated.

I don't recall any hard feelings the last time around. It will be a
tough task & with this bunch of creative minds concensus will be tough.
It will almost be better to commission the design to one individual & we
all just have to be happy with what that person comes up with. Bonnie
suggested Susan & I would second that vote.
>
> 2) Thom - is the digitizing aspect something more than plopping the
> paper image ona good scanner and creating (say) a gif. file?

The digitizing process looks at the outline of the design and decides
location and quantitiy of stitches in the design. I think they start
with an eps file. It is a specialized application. I don't think the
process takes much time & the computer does it all. The program is
expensive & that is why it costs so much (so I am told).
>
> 3) Is there anyone out there with the skills/energy to take this on?
> I'll follow this post with hopefully, the firat of many committments of
> purchase, so wwe can get a sense of the viability of this.

Firstly, let's get a count of how many are interested in a patch.
Assuming they will cost $5 each (as good a place as any to start).

--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

Or if you just want to, but haven't gotten around to it yet! ;)

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Subject: Re: [LbNA] "Recognition" of letterboxing accomplishments

Hello All:
PROPOSED TERMS OF MEMBERSHIP:
If you place or hunt letterboxes, your'e a memeber.


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On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 mohmers@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 4/7/00 6:34:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> bsennott@crocker.com writes:
>
> <<
> However, I am not sure having actual membership is the way to go at this
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> I must say I like the fact that our hobby is loosely organized. >>
>
> I AGREE.
> :o)
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Thom wrote:

> Firstly, let's get a count of how many are interested in a patch.
> Assuming they will cost $5 each (as good a place as any to start).
>
I know I will want at least 5 (not all for me, but to give to nephews and
friends).

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bsennott@crocker.com writes:

<< Thom wrote:

> Firstly, let's get a count of how many are interested in a patch.
> Assuming they will cost $5 each (as good a place as any to start).
> >>

For a head count - I will be in for at least three; possibly 6 (for the
neighbor girls). I can guess that the local teachers will be interested in
making the patches available to their students and I have no idea how many
that would include. I know of at least 4 families involved in letterboxing
that are not on the email list.

Mohmers

Hey Thom & gang,
I haven't been doing much with letterboxing lately. . . . just been a
"lurker". But I would be interested in purchasing a patch. Hopefully things
will change soon so that I can get back to boxing!
Becky

I agree- wlr
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To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
Date: Thursday, April 06, 2000 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: [LbNA] "Recognition" of letterboxing accomplishments


>Randy and all:
>I just got home, and saw that my wife was among 20 or so responses to
>this proposal. I've only read her's, with which I agree. But, I did
>think about it on the way into work this A.M. - here are my thoughts.
>
>I don't mind the "100" patch, or some other series (50? 25?). That would
>be great, and, gosh knows, those that have put in the effort (and fun)
>to put out as many (Hmmm - the Drew clan deserve a patch of their own!)
>perhaps ought to have a patch or two for their efforts.
>
>However, I'm MUCH MORE interested in a "Club" patch, so to speak, to sew
>on my pack or hat. And perhaps a window decal - how many times have I
>driven past the sites of my few boxes, wondering is a 'boxer is out
>there looking.
>
>My 2 cents (or sense?).
>Perhaps more later, after I read the mail!
>Erik
>
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Hey Gang -
PATCH ME BABY!!!
Those of us in areas outside of New England
are gonna have a tough time finding 100 patches though!
Count me in on the contest for a design too!
- Bryan

>From: mohmers@aol.com
>To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [LbNA] "Recognition" of letterboxing accomplishments
>Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 8:44 AM
>

> However, I am not sure having actual membership is the way to go at this
>point.
> I must say I like the fact that our hobby is loosely organized. >>
>
>I AGREE.
>:o)

Me Too!